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Post by cowcharge on May 23, 2010 12:30:22 GMT -5
Hi all, Howard from Maine here. Just bought my first camper, a 22' Shasta, Lowflyte I believe, as I read that the trim stripes are below the door handle on Lowflytes... $600 off Craigslist, with 105 mile delivery (he refused gas money), all the hoses, connector, cables and adapters, along with original manuals for every appliance in the thing and the Shasta manual. The registration says it's a '73, the PO thinks it's a '76, and I'm sure you all already know how hard it is to date one of these things. The registration also says the GVW is 7800 lbs, but the PO towed it 100 miles to my house, with a V-6 E-250 on a bumper hitch (!), and it only took him ten minutes longer than it took me, and I had no trailer and was doing 10 over the whole way, so I kinda doubt it weighs that much. The Nada website says a '75 22.5' Shasta weighs 3120 lbs... Here are some pics: Addendum: Ross showed me that it's a Model 2250. Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on May 23, 2010 12:37:01 GMT -5
Can you only post one photo per message? The metal frame, running gear, tires, all look great (it did travel 100 miles to get here, including travel at turnpike speeds for a good hour, so I guess that's a good shakedown cruise, especially since I hadn't paid him yet). PO never used the brakes and said "you don't even know it's there", so I dunno what kind of shape they're in, but that's another reason I'm fairly sure it doesn't weigh 7800 lbs. The front of the frame looks like they stole it from the bow of the Queen Mary, it's so sturdy-looking. Nice red antifreeze visible in the toilet bowl (did they come with Thetfords in '76?). Two way Dometic fridge, furnace, water heater (has been disconnected for a "few years", PO said). Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on May 23, 2010 12:45:40 GMT -5
The catch of course, as I believe it is with all of these trailers, is water damage. Lots of staining around the edges of the ceiling and the vents, and a large soft spot that goes from outside the bathroom back into the bedroom. I only got it yesterday, so I haven't really started tearing into it yet. The belly pan is pretty hard plastic and intact, so I can't see anything from below. I did tear out most of the bathroom ceiling and insulation in ten minutes, without a single tool... What they cal plywood was completely delaminated and tore off in strips. What I can see of the rafters in that one spot are solid though, so maybe there's hope. The outside of the roof has big nasty wide swaths of black goop on every seam, and I have spotted gaps in the seams between the back and side wall siding, so I suspect it leaks like a sieve. Gotta go to work, more later! Addendum: No idea why I thought the aluminum belly was plastic... Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on May 24, 2010 21:53:44 GMT -5
How bad can it be, right? Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on May 24, 2010 21:54:39 GMT -5
Mmm, cozy... Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on May 24, 2010 21:56:36 GMT -5
I'll just take a lil' peek... Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on May 24, 2010 21:58:58 GMT -5
Hmm, those tongue-and-groove boards don't look stock, better check under there... Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on May 24, 2010 22:02:23 GMT -5
I wonder what's around that corner... Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on May 24, 2010 22:06:37 GMT -5
Aww hell I don't like bunk beds anyway. Attachments:
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Post by 73super on May 26, 2010 7:00:20 GMT -5
Well now you've done it... ha! Good luck with your reconstruction program.... So well worth it tho'.... nice trailer!
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Post by cowcharge on May 26, 2010 14:09:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the wish of luck, you just doubled my operating budget. This is the picture that I tried to post in my last message. There's no water pump, the filler neck part of the water tank is just sitting there loose like the lid on a jack-o-lantern, and the fridge tried to kill me with an ammonia surprise party. At least it's 90 degrees out and I get to be inside a toaster tearing out moldy insulation and decomposing acorns for Memorial Day weekend! Woohooooo! If I'm lucky, I'll even get to find one of the dead little buggers that put the acorns in there, and wasps will decide it's a great place for a condo. The 110 works, so I can use the outlets. No battery yet, so 12v is out. Attachments:
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Post by Atomic Addiction on May 29, 2010 2:03:58 GMT -5
Keep it coming.
I like seeing the "newer" trailers too. It is a nice change from all of the canned hams. Again, keep showing off the pictures.
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Post by cowcharge on May 31, 2010 12:28:40 GMT -5
I thought the lack of response might have been because it's only 35 years old, lol.
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Post by cowcharge on Jun 14, 2010 12:23:00 GMT -5
Hi all, I was taking so much rotten and semi-rotten wood out, especially plywood with its connecting and stiffening abilities, that I figured I'd better put some new wood in before the whole back half of the camper fell off. So I ran two joists down the hall to the back end of the bedroom, ripped from spruce 2x4s and bolted to the trailer frame with carriage bolts. I'm using a few pieces of the old plywood floor to walk on. I used doubled cross braces so that I could place them over the steel trailer frame crossmembers, yet still be able to screw into them by putting a screw on either side of the carriage bolts (along with a polyurethane glue that I got from the lumberyard). I'm going to add some single-stick cross braces in the two larger gaps as well, where there are no underlying steel frame members, 'cause I just don't like that long a run of plywood, especially in a hallway. The joist on the left side of the pic isn't bolted down or attached to the joist on the right yet, the bolts are just loose in the holes to keep it held in place while I work from/walk on it. Since I can't drive screws into it from under the kitchen counter, I have to attach all the remaining single-stick cross pieces to it before I bolt it down (I didn't want to forget there was no steel support under those and walk on them before they were covered by plywood, that's why I haven't put them in yet). I'll glue and screw it to the right-hand joist and bolt it down right before I put the plywood down. The rot goes under the corners of both the tub and the oven, but I can't gut the whole camper at once, so I have to do it in sections. What I'll do is finish the hall and bedroom, then slide the kitchen counter over or lift it intact, and do that section. The bathroom will be the trickiest part, I'm really trying to think of a way to do it without tearing the whole bathroom apart. I sanded and painted my propane tanks with gloss white Rustoleum, and they're at Maine Oxy having new OPD valves put in ($77 or so), so when they come back I can do a leak check and test the stove and furnace. Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Jun 14, 2010 12:41:18 GMT -5
So I took the lower rear panelling off to get a look at the wall, and was happy to see that the studs and crossbraces all look good on their bottom halves, at least. The corner posts may be not so good, I'll know more when I take the side wall panelling off. The back and side walls don't sit on the floor or trailer frames, they're merely attached to the back and sides of the floor, clinging on, with nothing to rest on but the belly pan. I expected the walls to be sitting on the floor frame. The floor sill and wall footing (that the right names?) are both too rotten to save, and I suspect the corner posts are gone too. Funny, we've been getting a lot of rain lately, and other than when I leave the skylight open, I haven't seen any water come in, even though there are stains all the way around the ceiling... Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Jun 14, 2010 12:54:56 GMT -5
Here's the port side aft corner, with the water heater. You can see where the rotten floor sill was, and the wet and not-quite-as-rotten wall footer. All the bedroom joists are gone except under the water heater, as I haven't gotten around to pulling that out to get at the last bit of floor yet. Before I do that, I'm going to replace the rear sill and the bottom of the rear wall, so that my central two joists can tie into them and be supported by the rearmost steel frame crossmember that the new floor sill will be bolted to (The next steel frame member is about three feet forward of the back wall). Then I can frame outward from that "backbone" to the sides and rear corners. The next step towards that is peeling the bottom of the siding off the back to get at the wall. There's enough meat left in that wall footer to rip the staples right through the belly pan if I try to pull it up from the inside, so I'll be cuttin' a bunch of staples. I love my Dremel tool! If you look at the belly pan behind my drill, you can see the words "2050 bad back" in red magic marker, indicating that they were into recycling their screwups, I guess. I have also found several measurements written on frame pieces in red marker. And hundreds of what I at first thought were the remains of pop rivets (until I realized there aren't any rivets in the thing), but what I now believe are the shreds of aluminum left over from driving in all those self-tapping screws. They're everywhere. I also found a '74 quarter between the floor sill and wall footer in this corner, lol, proving that it's not a '73. Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Jun 14, 2010 13:14:00 GMT -5
Here's the aft corner on the starboard side. A black mess. That loose piece of wood laying there next to the paper cup is the old back end of one of the two central joists. You can see the 3/4" sisters they had on each side to beef up the connection point to the sill, right at its carriage bolting points (it's pointing the opposite of the way it was in the floor, the skinny end was the front). As I said, the wall framing that I can see is solid, and only a little stained. Boy it sure isn't very beefy, though. I now know that I can kick my way into any Shasta ever built, lol. More later! Attachments:
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Post by 67shastabean on Jun 14, 2010 15:42:46 GMT -5
Looks like you're doing a great job! What type of wood are u going to cover the walls with?
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Post by cowcharge on Aug 8, 2010 8:24:00 GMT -5
Hi all, sorry for the long break. To answer the last question, I don't yet know what I'm going to use for the inside paneling, if I ever get the money to do it, lol. Probably birch. My priority is to do the structure and insulation and systems as I can afford them and worry about the finish later. I've got the floor replaced in the bedroom and partway up the hall, so it's like a fatheaded "T", with the vertical leg being the hallway and the crossbar being the bedroom floor. I can't gut the entire trailer at once, so I built this repair as a stand-alone panel, with the ply edges flush with the frame, so the edges have a whole 1 1/2" piece of frame to mate with, instead of only 3/4" like if they shared an edge with the next sheet. When I replace the next section of floor, I'll screw the new edge frames to the frames on the earlier repair (inside the armpits of the "T", so they'll be screwed on two sides), as well as bolting the joists to the steel frame. At some point I'll take the bathroom floor apart and reframe and insulate under there (and clean out the bees' nest that I think I've finally silenced), then do the same under the kitchen counter. The dinette floor seems strong, although eventually I'd like to insulate it, and I'm sure the edges and wall plates have water damage like the back end did. This pic is of the left side of the new frame, looking aft. You can see the hole where the water heater goes, its propane line, and the city water fitting and low point drain holes in the belly pan. The frame is glued and screwed. Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Aug 8, 2010 8:43:52 GMT -5
Here's a view up the left side from behind the trailer. I'm using two layers of rigid foam insulation anywhere I do any repairs, 1" on top of 1/2", because none of my local stores had 1-1/2" sheets. I cut the 1/2" to fit with a utility knife, then trace those pieces onto the 1" and cut it with a hacksaw blade. I spaced blueberry-sized dollops of caulking between the two layers and pressed them together before pressing them both into the frame cavities, and after the plywood was down, I pressed them up into the cavities from underneath by pushing on the belly pan in each cavity. Again you can see the city water fitting on the left, the water heater opening and propane line, and the rear bathroom wall with the white hot air "duct". Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Aug 8, 2010 8:52:12 GMT -5
The first sheet of plywood's worth of floor insulated. The center three joists are bolted to steel crossmembers and sistered at the joint with the rear plate, so the screws can go around the plate bolts. The two outer joists ride on those white longitudinal steel frame pieces that connect to the bumper. I cut the left stud in the rear wall so I could fit a whole 4' width of plywood inside. Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Aug 8, 2010 9:09:31 GMT -5
Here's the curbside wall in the back, with the new plate screwed to the new floor. I'm not gluing the wall frames to the floor, in case anything ever has to be taken apart again. I'm going to cut the damaged bottoms off all the studs and replace them with 1-1/2" square pieces, with 1" "U"s cut in the tops for the stud ends to fit in. That will leave a 1/4" flap overlapping up each side of the stud. Then I'll glue the studs into the sockets and screw the two sides of the "U"s into the studs, and screw up through the plate into the bottoms. I'm hoping to get that done today on the right side, so I can insulate the bottom foot or so of that wall and close the aluminum back up. When I took the right side apart I stupidly first took the aluminum apart from the outside, tearing it quite a bit from staple-pulling. I swear there's a tiny staple every inch on those seams, nobody ever intended that it be taken apart again. I got smarter on the left side and took the wall plate out from the inside, without dismantling the aluminum first. Now I can cut the staples from the inside with my Dremel and save all that tearing. It was a pain drilling and chiseling and chewing that floor plate out, but it was worth it in the aluminum damage that was avoided. Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Aug 8, 2010 9:22:29 GMT -5
Here's the bedroom floor with the plywood down. Yay, walking and working space! No more tightrope walking on the frame, woohoo! That short "wall" is the old face of the right side bottom bunk. I'm using it as a visual aid in deciding which way the bedroom layout's gonna go. You can see the black water lines on the floor, and the cut-but-not-installed-yet left side wall plate leaning on the bunk face. Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Aug 8, 2010 9:30:49 GMT -5
This is the right side upper bunk, folded up. I love how many windows this trailer has! With the little windows for the upper bunks there are six windows just in the bedroom. The folding parts of both upper bunks are coming out. I have plans for them, hehehe. I'll probably leave the fixed parts there and build future cabinets around them. I'm single with no kids, so I certainly don't need four bunk beds! And I plan to keep the dinette setup in the front, so I'm trying to plan out a combination bedroom and living room. Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Aug 8, 2010 10:53:21 GMT -5
I don't really have room for a queen bed back there without giving up any hope of floor space for getting dressed or anything else, so I'm planning on a full-sized mattress (75x54), and building the frame about 22" high. I'm also going to use one of those hinged upper bunks to make a folding settee/loveseat/bench/whatever so that I can sort of turn it into a living room. It will be part of the long edge of the bed and support the mattress, but can be flipped up like it is in the last photo, revealing the seat of the couch and forming its back. If that makes sense. I'd much rather use the space for storage, but the dinette isn't really big enough to do much with in the way of making it convertible, so... There are really only two ways to do it: putting the bed crossways or longitudinally. This pic is crossways, and was my first idea. I think I can just barely fit the old closet drawers in the space in the bottom of the new closet. The water tank and heater are yellow, the counter/headboard is green, and the folding bunk is blue. With this layout it would be a squeeze to sit down between the couch and the counter, like sliding into a dinette, but there would be more standing room in front of the closet. Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Aug 8, 2010 11:07:06 GMT -5
This pic is of the other orientation, laying the bed fore-and-aft, against the left side, since the bathroom wall is wider than the kitchen wall. The plan here is to lift up half the mattress and the "couch"-covering bunk, uncovering both the couch and a sliding storage unit that opens up the doorway when it's pushed back out of the way, but holds up the corner of the bed (and blocks the doorway) when it's pulled out. This plan gives more walking room, and might even allow room for a small office chair between the couch and the counter, or a folding counter extension that would reach the couch, but it makes for a shorter couch, tight for 2 people. It also pretty much requires that I always fold the bed up every day, which means a split mattress. I've also thought about permanently mounting the storage unit in the retracted position and just having a folding leg on the the corner of the bed, but it seems like it would be flimsy and cheesy. Haven't decided yet, but I'm thinking I like this layout better. Anyone got suggestions, ideas, or stories of similar reworks? Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Aug 23, 2010 21:48:44 GMT -5
Filler pipe on the wrong side of your tank? Move it! Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Aug 23, 2010 22:06:22 GMT -5
I needed to be able to stand the water tank on edge to get a bit more bedroom floor space, so I moved the filler from the wide "top" of the tank to the narrow "side". I cut out a rectangle of tank containing the filler and overflow fittings from the "top" of the tank, traced it onto the "side" and cut that matching patch out, then swapped them. I used a hot glue gun and a soldering iron. I welded the blank patch first, because it's going to be holding the weight of the water and I wanted to be able to weld it inside and out. Then I welded the patch with the filler in it, on the new "top" of the tank. It ain't pretty, but I have a hard time believing it will fail. Gonna be a cosmetic nightmare to move the outside filler spout higher on the side of the trailer, though. Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Aug 24, 2010 12:58:10 GMT -5
Well, the patch didn't blow out of the water tank when I filled it two hours ago lol, so so far, so good. It might be weeping the tiniest bit in one corner, but I'm not yet sure it isn't condensation, or runoff from what squirted out of the filler. I'll let it sit over night and see what's what. But structurally, since the tank will be supported in the trailer and isn't right now, I think I can safely say that the hot-glue-gun-and-soldering iron method that I used is good for water tanks (subject of course to the first trip down a bumpy dirt road). Bought 2 more sheets of foil-backed foam insulation for the bedroom walls (single 1-3/8" sheets instead of the stuff for the floor, where I had to stack two sheets in order to get the right thickness, half the cutting to do and saved $3/sheet!). It and the extra foam left over from the floor should be just enough to insulate the entire bedroom, except for the ceiling. Also invaded my friend's shop to rip 4-8' spruce 2x4s into 12- 1 x 1-1/2" stud-sized pieces, since I don't have a functioning table saw. I'll use it to replace a couple of corner posts in the back corners, any bad wood that I find around the windows, and for framing the bedroom furniture. I'm re-using as much of the old camper as I can find a use for, because my budget is lower than Darfur's Peace Corp budget. For example, since I'm replacing the original 4-bunk-central-rear-closet layout with a single-bed layout, I'm going to use the big folding part of the old upper bunk and its hinges as a new folding couch back that unfolds from the edge of the bed. It's built like a hollow interior door, nice and light, so I'll just use it like it was designed, just as part of a much bigger bed. I'll re-use the old drawers and closet door too, at least for the time being. I may get fancy later on, I'd love to go to town with glowing hardwoods etc., but right now it's structure and systems and bare cold function I'm concentrating on. I'm also saving all the old yellow fiberglass wall insulation to use in odd places, since it it isn't damaged like the soggy crap from the floor was. I'll probably use some to improve the old blankets over the wheel wells and around the water heater tank. Since the only cold-vulnerable things that are outside the insulation layer are the waste tanks, maybe I'll use the old fiberglass to make insulating blankets for them and add a couple of those tank heaters. It needs to be a winterable trailer. Attachments:
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Post by cowcharge on Aug 24, 2010 13:11:05 GMT -5
Bulgy but strong. Attachments:
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