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Post by tylerbes on Oct 9, 2011 19:14:15 GMT -5
Vintageshopnut - I do plan on making the 8 X 36's! What year and model camper do you have. Thanks for you post... I have added you to my list. Will be in touch as the project progresses.
Vikx Well I have to say the aluminum framed wings will probably be your best option. I do plan on offering these. WIll add you to the list of contacts. I can tell you right now though that the criss-cross pattern is going to be a challenge. I am not sure if I am going to be able to get that material or somhow duplicate the pattern. The ribbing (creases) I will be rolling into the material with a forming die. Will let you know about the texture when the time comes
Thanks again Tyler
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Post by '59PinkDeluxe on Oct 10, 2011 12:43:41 GMT -5
Hi all. FYI... This is a photo of the wings on my '59 Deluxe (9x42). The wood is badly deteriorated, but you can see that there was an area in the center where it had a cutout. I'm going to be rebuilding mine, but I've seen somewhere that starboard marine plastic was being used successfully to rebuild instead of wood as it is lighter weight and impervious to rot. This makes great sense to me. Any thoughts on that? Thanks, PinkDeluxe Attachments:
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Post by tylerbes on Oct 10, 2011 13:44:28 GMT -5
PinkDeluxe You just answered one of my big questions. SO they did cut the center of the wood to reduce the weight. Fantastic. As for your other question about the plastic. SURE it would work great... a bit more costly. Not sure how the purists would feel about it though. To be an "original" set of wings I would think folks would want them made from the original materials. I do plan on sealing the wood to help resist deterioration in the future. I am sure I could make these wings better than the factory back in the day, guess its a balance of how much you should change to improve them and how much you should keep to maintain the originality. I can tell you that ANY fasteners (screws, nails, and rivets) that I use will be stainless or aluminum... none of this rusty steel crap that they used Thank you so much for the photo! Tyler
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Post by tylerbes on Oct 10, 2011 13:53:59 GMT -5
PinkDeluxe
I just noticed in you photo that there are quite a few screw holes. THis is not the first set from 59 that I have seen with so many holes. DO you think that they originally had this many fasteners or were some added?
Thanks Tyler
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Post by blu26ovl on Oct 10, 2011 19:55:52 GMT -5
Tyler. I looked but I didn't take photo of wing when I had it apart. I took it apart because the PO had tightened the screws down so tight it sunk in the sides where the screws go through to hold the wing on. When I took it apart I found it was Styrofoam. The foam is somewhat like the insulation Styrofoam that is used on housing. Has some flexing to it and made of Styrofoam beads. The front and back are identical so it could potentially be used on either side. When I put it back together I cut spacers from plastic water supply lines that go to sink in houses to run the screw through so it would not collapse when installing. Attachments:
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Post by '59PinkDeluxe on Oct 11, 2011 9:18:21 GMT -5
Tyler... Glad the pic helped. I'm just so happy I have wings at all!! Not surprised by the extra holes. When I picked her up, one was barely hanging on so I got out my toolbox and took it off before I started back home. Otherwise, I'm sure it would have flung off onto the highway. I think I'm just gonna have to use all the holes when I get the wings back together and pretend that's the way it's meant to be. Again, no sense in worrying about a few holes. Their imperfections are what makes them perfect... haha !
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Post by Bow_Tied on Oct 11, 2011 22:22:22 GMT -5
FWIW: I don't have the wings for my 59, however the outline of the wings are there as well as the screw holes - without going out to check, they screw hole pattern looks identical to 59pink's photo. My theory is that this many screws are needed if it is screwed into the skin only instead of inner wood supports. Just a guess though.
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Post by tylerbes on Oct 12, 2011 7:13:21 GMT -5
Blu
Thank you very much for the info. So they put full aluminum skin on both sides of the styrofoam core wings. Didnt know that either. Great to know.
Great idea on the tubing to support the wings. I have seen plenty of photos where people crank the screws down and the aluminum is all distorted... Something I might have to consider.
Tyler
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Post by tylerbes on Oct 12, 2011 7:19:17 GMT -5
59Pinkdeluxe HEHEHE... those are not imperfections, its charater and patina! Thanks again
Bow_Tied
I think you are right, I have confirmed with a few folks that the 59's had all of those screws originally. They needed the extra fasteners for the weight and probably the lack of internal support... I guess it was too much for them to add a couple more pieces of 1X3 to the frame (rolls eyes).
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Post by ajpace on Oct 20, 2011 13:47:42 GMT -5
I am interested in a set of 9 X 42 wings. I have a 1961 SC. I measured the space where the old wings were and it looks like the 9 X42 is the size that fits. Thanks
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Post by tylerbes on Oct 20, 2011 15:36:46 GMT -5
AJ - I have added you to the list, thank you very much.
An update for the folks interested in wings. I have received an 8 X 36 damaged wing. Thanks again Bill! I will be making into templates, I also have a set of 9 X 42's on the way soon. Tooling is underway to create the rolled ribbed feature in the early 60's wings.
I have a question I would like you to weigh in on. This question applies to the 60+ wings that do not wrap around the camper and use standoffs. I have been looking very closely at the structure that was used to support the inside of the wing. Though I can recreate this, I am considering making some improvements. The outside faces of the wing would look exactly like the originals, same skin style, same shape, molding and rivets, everything. However I might make the interior skin complete, instead of just a small triangle in the visible area. The reason for this would be if your wing got damaged or scratched, you could swap the left and right wings and the trailer facing side (undamaged) of each wing now shows out. This also gives more flexibility on the construction of the interior support structure. I think this would be a very nice feature, and is a good balance between the authentic look and improved construction. But, as the end users I would like your thoughts.
Thanks Tyler
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Post by ajpace on Oct 21, 2011 10:59:51 GMT -5
I like having the option of flipping the wings in case of damage.
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Post by tylerbes on Oct 21, 2011 14:27:25 GMT -5
Thanks AJ
Anyone else want to give input on the reversable wing question.
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Post by ModernMe on Oct 21, 2011 16:31:19 GMT -5
I guess that option would be nice, sort of like a one time insurance policy. My question would be, how much does that add to the initial cost?
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Post by kpaints on Oct 23, 2011 22:23:21 GMT -5
Not that you need to know but I have a 69 Shasta 1400 and they would have had the 7 by 27 size. There are three (caulked) holes still on my trailer. There is a running light above so there is not room for anything larger....just in case you wondered. I need wings bad but as nice as these will be...still over my budget at $300. It was fun reading the post and I can't wait to see these beauties!
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Post by tylerbes on Oct 24, 2011 10:43:56 GMT -5
Modern
I think that is the beauty of this option. It really wont add much in cost at all, and I certainly would not charge folks more for it. Yes it does use more of the skin material, which is rather expensive, but I can make the skeleton inside out of corrosion proof materials that will save time and some material cost. This will balance out the cost of the added skin material.
I am not using off the shelf aluminum flashing on these, I plan to use the proper .020 gauge aluminum material. When mounted these will look 100% authentic, very light, and very strong. The new internals will also solve the issue of crushing the wing by over tightening the screws. They will be fully supported at the screw locations.
Tyler
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Post by tylerbes on Oct 24, 2011 10:48:35 GMT -5
Kpaints
I understand completely. I have at least a couple other request for 7X27's. They do use less material... but unfortunalty take just as long to make. I will have to see how making these goes to see of I can bring the cost of the smaller wing down a bit. I will keep you on my list and get in touch with you when I start making these. I am getting close to trying my first set. I would say within the next few weeks.
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Post by tylerbes on Oct 24, 2011 10:51:23 GMT -5
DIAMOND PATTERN
I have found a supplier for aluminum with the diamond pattern for the later year wings! I am going to order a sample. When I get it I will post a picture to get some feedback. I have never personally seen a wing with this material, just photos. So anyone who is interested in getting a set made with this material, your input will be very helpful.
Thank You Tyler
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Post by jeajsa on Oct 24, 2011 19:44:27 GMT -5
Tyler I like your idea of being able to flip the wings if need be, I want wings that are original looking but if you can build it better I am all for it!
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Post by Bow_Tied on Oct 24, 2011 20:37:57 GMT -5
Been thinking a bit more about this. I am not interested in taking my trailer to a concours trailer show with judging for originality. I just want to enjoy and over time make it look a bit nicer. If the wings look half ass close that would be great. If you can see they look wrong 20' way, not as nice, but if you have to get within inches AND really know them well to find a discrepancy, who the heck cares? If the insides of the wings are way different than original but you can't see it after install - ALL the better!! Well, at least for me. My interest would be 1. reasonable cost 2. light weight/structurally sound 3. appearance to originality; in that order. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by kpaints on Oct 25, 2011 21:38:43 GMT -5
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Post by tylerbes on Oct 26, 2011 7:24:54 GMT -5
I recieved the textured samples... These both seem to be relatively close. There of course are some issues here. 1) Its very expensive 2) Its relatively thick. .032. which is going to make forming the ribs a bit more challenging on these. Let me know what you think, how close are these to the original textures...and which one do you prefer. Attachments:
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Post by universalexports on Oct 26, 2011 18:39:11 GMT -5
mine (1959 Shasta deluxe) did not have any texture, that came a couple years later.
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Post by tylerbes on Oct 27, 2011 8:55:26 GMT -5
I think Mid to late 60's and into the 70's the texture was used. I see it most often on the smaller wings. my 64 had non textured wings as well.
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Post by kto17 on Oct 27, 2011 9:52:03 GMT -5
Universal Yeah those are going to look dinky on your camper! Well I will keep you posted and see what we can do. I have three people interested in 42X9 sets for 59 campers, and it looks like I will be getting templates. I think I am going to be busy this winter just fine by me. Tyler, The vintage Shasta Yahoo group had templates for all sizes. See attached. Just remeber, you didn't get it from me. LOL. I'm planning on making wings for my Astrodome. Keep us posted with lots of pictures! Attachments:
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Post by tylerbes on Oct 27, 2011 15:04:23 GMT -5
kto17
I appreciate you sharing, nice to hear from a fellow Astrodome owner. Yeah I have this template file as well (from the freewebs, wing site), it available in a few places. Which is ok for the skins but it tells you nothing about the edging, material thicknesses, rivet locations, rib styles, etc. That is why I have been asking to get damaged wings, not just to make templates of the sides, but to find out all the little details to make these look as authentic as I can. I hear the devil is in the details.... whatever that means.
Thanks Tyler
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Post by tylerbes on Nov 3, 2011 17:13:07 GMT -5
An Update for all of you interested in a set of reproduction wings. The aluminum is in! I have recieved enough material to make 5 sets of 42 X 9 (or smaller). It is all cut to width and ready to be formed. I expect to be starting my first set this month. Here is a shot of the material Attachments:
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Post by tylerbes on Nov 3, 2011 17:14:56 GMT -5
I also have the new stainless fasteners and standoffs. I plan to include all the hardware with every set of wings I make. The standoffs are only needed for 1960 and later campers. Attachments:
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Post by universalexports on Nov 3, 2011 17:39:29 GMT -5
GREAT cant wait!!!
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Post by boandsusan on Nov 4, 2011 10:05:52 GMT -5
We have access to any and all types of metal(off cut scrap pieces) from my husbands job. He also has access to all the machines. However, we don`t know what size or type of wings came on our year model camper (72 Compact). I would love Ruby Rose to have her wings for Christmas. Is there a list anywhere of size and type of wings for yr model camper?
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