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Post by tylerbes on Nov 14, 2011 15:28:24 GMT -5
1959 WINGS QUESTION!:
So a question has popped up. As I mentioned in my reproduction wings thread, Youngfd has lent me his wings to do teardown/rebuild as well as document for you folks interested in 1958-1960 style wings. Well there is something peculiar about these that I want to find out if it is original.
On the top of the wing at the tail section, there is a zinc plated plate that covers the seam between the moldings that wrap the wings. You can hardly tell its there from the side. You would need to be on a step stool or ladder to really see it. Anyone know if this is original? or added by someone?
If it is original I think I know why its there. The gutter rail is cut on these campers allowing the water to pour on top of the wing. This plate would help keep water from getting into the seam at the top and rotting the wood. However its possible that someone had a problem with rot in these wings and came up with this as a solution. Let me know if you have any input, thanks.
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Post by universalexports on Nov 14, 2011 20:08:52 GMT -5
never noticed that on a pair of wings,
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Post by tylerbes on Nov 15, 2011 7:13:36 GMT -5
Me either... Here is a picture of it. I think I have convinced myself after breaking this wing down that this was added by someone. But anybody who has a set of wrap around wings (1958-1960) any input would be great. Even better would be a picture of the top of your wing. Thanks Tyler Attachments:
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Post by universalexports on Nov 15, 2011 20:07:55 GMT -5
i've only owned 2 sets of wings, but I have looked at more than a dozen on ebay and such, and never seen anything like that, what is under it?
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Post by '59PinkDeluxe on Nov 16, 2011 2:10:53 GMT -5
Tyler... I most def do not have that on the top of my 59 Deluxe. (not a bad idea tho)!
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Nov 16, 2011 2:22:39 GMT -5
If one were inclined to do this to a original aluminum set of wings...DON'T use galvanized metal.
Use aluminum on aluminum. Dissimilar metals can cause a reaction and result in corrosion to the metal.
Brian
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Post by clayton on Nov 16, 2011 9:27:11 GMT -5
No rain cap on these 1959 Goshen IN original wings. Let me know if you want more pictures than the two I'll try posting now... Clayton Attachments:
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Post by clayton on Nov 16, 2011 9:30:04 GMT -5
Picture #2 Attachments:
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Post by tylerbes on Nov 18, 2011 7:56:35 GMT -5
So much interesting stuff here! THanks for all the replys. Let me respond to all:
Universal - Its clear that the PO (not Youngfd) Tried to seal it with some sort of rigid flashing sealant... its a bit of a mess but not too tough to clean out. These are deffinitly added.
59'Pink - thanks for your reply, and I assume you have wrap around wings like I have shown in the picture?
Atomic - We may have talked about this in the past, but you have to be an engineer like me! Galvanic corrorsion is certianly a concern. I too would have used Aluminum. The trim and caps are in relatively good shape, they may be close on the galvanic table. I won't be using this technique on any wings I make for others, they will have the regular trim at the top but with sealant to help prevent corrosion.
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Post by tylerbes on Nov 18, 2011 9:50:06 GMT -5
Clayton
I would like to respond to your post separately. First, thank you very much for the photos. They are fantastic. However, I am 99.99% confident that you have wings off of a '61 or later. Your camper being a 59 has the interrupted drip rail and should have the wrap around style wings. Unless the factory was building these in two different styles in these years (which I doubt, though its possible), your wings were probably replaced. My guess is that the wings rotted or were damaged and someone replaced them with later model wings. Which are also 42 X 9" but dont have the wrap around tail. If you were to take a wing off by removing those 5 screws. You should see a whole bunch of other screw holes from the original set.
Anybody want to weigh in on this?
I am going to shoot you a PM about these.
Thanks again Tyler
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Post by clayton on Nov 18, 2011 12:19:35 GMT -5
Intriguing indeed! We're pretty sure the wings are original. The trailer has been in the same family it's entire life and although it was repainted 15 years ago.... everything in the trailer is original, mostly unmolested, and generally not cared for. In other words, I don't think anyone has cared for it enough to replace the wings - - - let alone with anything period appropriate. Anecdotally, the rusty old screws on the wings match the rusty old screws elsewhere... What exactly do you mean by "wrap around style"? Are you talking about the tab at the end of the wing (attached photo)? On a related, but different note. Has anyone seen a smooth aluminum wing? The Shasta ad for the introduction of the Airflyte 'new in 1958' shows horizontal breaks. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the different manufacturing plants made their wings differently in a given year. I look forward to input from others... Clayton Attachments:
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Post by tylerbes on Nov 18, 2011 14:45:58 GMT -5
Clayton Wow. If those really are original to your camper then Shasta really was all over the place with construction methods at the different factories. This really is a big surprise to me. Amazing, Would really love to see you unscrew the wing and take a look behind it to see if there are in fact no extra holes. Does your little green Shasta tag near the door say where it was built? Maybe it was a factory to factory type deal. A wrap around style wing has a tail section that is twice as thick as the rest of the wing. This allows it to conform to the body of the camper. It also makes it look like the wing is thicker than it really is, and is built right into the side of the camper. Here is a picture of the front and back of one. Attachments:
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Post by tylerbes on Nov 18, 2011 15:15:37 GMT -5
www.retrorestoration.com/59shasta.htmFor the "wrap around wings" or whatever you want to call them. These folks made some for this restoration. Maybe not the best picture but you get the idea. They also describe them below the photo Tyler
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Post by clayton on Nov 19, 2011 12:40:09 GMT -5
Here you can see the same general rusting of the screws on the wing as well as the others around the window, drip caps, j rail, etc.. Attachments:
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Post by clayton on Nov 19, 2011 12:41:44 GMT -5
and here is the wing removed... Attachments:
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Post by clayton on Nov 19, 2011 12:47:12 GMT -5
.... and just as you predicted, there ARE extra holes! They must have been replaced very early in it's life based on how rusted the screws were that I just removed. Also, there are indications that the wings were not even removed for the paint job 15 years ago. It's also fun to sleuth the history of these gems! Clayton Attachments:
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Post by tylerbes on Nov 20, 2011 20:00:36 GMT -5
Clayton
Can't thank you enough! That was fantastic of you to remove that wing... and how interesting to find out that those wings had been replaced. I was REALLY starting to second guess myself! Glad to see I was right though. It really would have thrown me for a loop! Liek I said, you do have orignial wings, just off a later model. Well Done, and thanks again
Tyler
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Post by gq424 on Feb 1, 2013 23:48:19 GMT -5
WHAT THICKNESS OF WOOD IS USED TO REDO THE WINGS?
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Post by tylerbes on Feb 15, 2013 21:32:29 GMT -5
The original wrap around wings had 7/8" thick... I think they used standard 3/4 and added 1/8 interiap plywood to it. THey did this because the counter trim that they used on the wings was 7/8 deep.
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