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Post by Atomic Addiction on Apr 28, 2010 15:25:27 GMT -5
I posted most of this on the blog but thought I would slap it up here... Here is the curb side Jalouise window. I pulled this window a while ago. You can see most of it in that jumble of parts I showed you before. I pulled it apart to really give it a good polish. Unfortunately you can't do that when the window is whole. One of the downsides of these windows is the the were assembled with steel tubular rivets. The rivets on my Jalouise widows are almost completely gone. I will be replacing them with aluminum rivets. The level of oxidation of the aluminum was surprising also. I really wasn't expecting what I found. There was quite a bit of pitting on some parts like the lower sill. The rubber seals were hard and brittle and there was hardly any pile left on the strips. Everything will also get replaced. Here is the window straight from the trailer... Attachments:
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Apr 28, 2010 15:28:02 GMT -5
I really didn't take too many shots of the window before I disassembled it. Everything got the wet sand and polish treatment. I am still loving that buffer. It does a great job on these thicker frame pieces... Attachments:
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Apr 28, 2010 15:28:56 GMT -5
Good looking stuff... Attachments:
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Apr 28, 2010 15:30:09 GMT -5
Here are the glass holders and rods.... And thats it for now... I did get my new rivets. Now I just have to set them, reinstall the seals, and reassemble the window. Look for a part 2 soon. Attachments:
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Post by franksshasta on Apr 28, 2010 18:09:36 GMT -5
I think that you just enjoy making most of us feel like slackers by posting those before/after shots. Got to hand it to you though. Nice work. I am looking forward to seeing your trailer when it's all done in Montello...yes. Just promise that you won't look too close at mine.
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Apr 28, 2010 22:56:50 GMT -5
Do you feel like a slacker Frank? ;D
Just kidding... No that is not my purpose. It is one part educational and one part wow factor and maybe a splash of pride. It sometimes makes me say "holy cow" and I'm the one that did it. The educational part is just seeing the parts disassembled. Red Dirt did a better job at the step by step of a restoration. I SHOULD do a step by step but it seems to slow me down quite a bit. Maybe I will do it in the front window restoration. We will see on that.
On another note... I don't know if we are going to Montello. I want to go but we have another thing that weekend. It REALLY sucks. Ultimately, I'm not sure yet. I'll keep ya posted.
Brian
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Apr 29, 2010 21:47:09 GMT -5
Part two... again, this is posted on my blog so if the text is kinda funky you know why... Made more progress and was able to get the window riveted and back together... I ordered new aluminum DF11-10-ST rivets from Hanson Rivet & Supply Co. I have to say thank you to VSTF member Joek for the information on which rivets to buy. They are spot on and were a needed replacement. I bought the overpriced squeezer dies from Hanson to set the rivets but didn't get the hand tool to put the dies in. Those tools are CRAZY expensive and I didn't want to blow more budget on something like that. Having done a bit hand riveting while leather working I knew I could do it with a hammer. The softer aluminum rivets are pretty easy to set unlike something like a steel rivet. I just took the bottom die and placed it in a mini vice I have. The other die got stuck into a socket screwdriver that was just about the right size. I set one on my own and it worked fine. The problem was I needed another hand to hold the part while I held the screwdriver and hammer. I roped Molly into the project and she became that third hand. She was a good sport about it and was a big help. The rivets were pretty easy to get to roll and flare. Here you can see the steel rivets the Hehr factory put in their windows and the new replacement rivets in the cleaned up parts. You can see some pitting on these parts still remains but overall they look a hundred times better... Attachments:
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Apr 29, 2010 21:48:29 GMT -5
Here you can see the right side (as you are looking at it from the outside) with the new felt weather strip installed. 8 rivets per side. Some advice for anyone out there taking their Jalouise windows apart: Take pictures before you take it apart. That way you know how to put it back together. It can get a bit confusing and you don't want to have to drill out rivets you just set... Attachments:
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Apr 29, 2010 21:49:21 GMT -5
Here is the outside of the window. As you can see the steel rivets are done and barely holding on. Shined up and new aluminum rivets now set. They will probably last longer than the trailer... Attachments:
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Apr 29, 2010 21:50:18 GMT -5
Here is the whole window before and after. The after is missing the insect screen in the picture... Attachments:
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Apr 29, 2010 21:51:14 GMT -5
Here you can see the bulb seal and the felt strip weatherstrips... Attachments:
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Apr 29, 2010 21:51:58 GMT -5
Just some details. The window works so much better and I'm not so worried about breaking the opening mechanism gears... And thats really is about it. I have been saying that I will do a in depth step by step for folks that want to redo their Jalouise but that process is pretty time consuming. I just want to keep moving on with the project. Thats it for now. Attachments:
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Post by joek on Apr 30, 2010 0:03:19 GMT -5
Brian,
They really look great. When I put the felt in, I couldn't get the windows to close and I had to take it out. Maybe because you installed the felt before you out the glass in, the glass holders were spaced away enough?
Also, did you have a hard time getting the rubber bulb in the bottom or top?
Thanks,
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Apr 30, 2010 8:18:49 GMT -5
Thanks Joe!
The felt strips don't seem to interfere too much with the glass holders. I put the strips in after the rivets were set. Really only because I forgot to put them in before hand. They actually went in really easy. I think it was Red Dirt and maybe a few others that had trouble getting the strips in. Not so for me. Not sure why. But no... they don't act like they should be a problem. I'm curious about how the window will act when the frame is rigid when mounted in the trailer. I hope it will actually work and open better. We will see.
As far as the bulb seal? Yeah, that was sort of a pain in the fanny. The little "T" kept trying to come out of the track. I had to find the right way to pull the seal at one end while feeding the other end. I thought about trying the liquid soap trick but ended up just feeding it in and it seemed to work. I'm not looking forward to the longer seal of the front window.
-Brian
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Post by ukshasta65 on May 10, 2010 16:18:59 GMT -5
Hi
I am currently restoring my 1965 Shasta and I have question about the windows - I hoping you can help because, to my knowledge I have the only Shasta in England - so I have no one to ask apart from your good selves.
I have big gaps inbetween the glass panels on the Jalousie windows. Is the supposed to be some sort of seal on the edges? if so what is it? and where do I get it from?
Thanks in advance
Chris
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Post by franksshasta on May 10, 2010 17:08:46 GMT -5
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Post by rkymtnman on Jun 16, 2010 22:27:40 GMT -5
I finally got all the bulb seal and felt strips in my rehab'd windows - thanks a ton for this write up.
I have to reinstall the glass panes and I bought a length of that "disc" material that I have to cut in to the disc thickness. How did you attach the disc to the window frame? Some sort of glue or something?
Thanks again for the write up - mine went pretty easy but it is an exercise in patience for sure.
Edit: I thought about those glass seals as well but at 44 cents a foot with the amount I needed, it got spendy very quickly. Figured the new felt and bulb seals would be a huge upgrade as it is.
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Jun 16, 2010 23:57:09 GMT -5
Sorry frank... I didn't see this question. No I haven't used this seal but keeping it in mind if I start getting leaks from that area. That is the type of seal that can be installed latter. Rky- You could put a little tiny bit of silicone on the disc just to hold it in place during reassembly. The pressure should hold the discs in place against the glass. Brian |
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Post by B.Tal on Jun 25, 2010 11:18:29 GMT -5
Hey Brian, Which did you use for the replacement rivets? I just pieced together a new jalousie from parts and was just going to use standard alum rivets. Thanks.
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Post by joek on Jun 25, 2010 21:25:12 GMT -5
I think standard pop rivets would work. You might have to order 5/32" rivets from somewhere. My best local hardware store only carries 1/8" and 3/16" rivets. Whichever size you use, pop rivets will look different than the original, but depending on who's looking, who cares. Brian and I both used tubular rivets, which require a special tool to install, or at the least some dies that you'd use to hammer the rivets closed as Brian did. These are very similar to the existing, though we used aluminum and the originals were steel (and rusted). I also did a write up which is located here: vintageshasta.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=windows&action=display&thread=228\Mine aren't as pretty a Brian's though. |
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Post by B.Tal on Jun 26, 2010 13:06:51 GMT -5
JoeK, Thanks, that's what i was looking for. I bought a larger 5 pane shasta jalousie on ebay for the guts, everything lines up perfectly. i drilled out the rivets and need the replacements. The originals are all rusty but functioning thanks to PB Blaster. But they're gonna have to wait another season...thanks for the link.
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Jun 29, 2010 13:32:04 GMT -5
I think standard pop rivets would work. You might have to order 5/32" rivets from somewhere. My best local hardware store only carries 1/8" and 3/16" rivets. Whichever size you use, pop rivets will look different than the original, but depending on who's looking, who cares. Brian and I both used tubular rivets, which require a special tool to install, or at the least some dies that you'd use to hammer the rivets closed as Brian did. These are very similar to the existing, though we used aluminum and the originals were steel (and rusted). I also did a write up which is located here: vintageshasta.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=windows&action=display&thread=228\Mine aren't as pretty a Brian's though. Thanks for fielding this question. It has been a crazy weekend here. Very busy. A lot of time off of the computer. I appreciate the assist. Brian |
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Jul 9, 2010 15:57:03 GMT -5
Finished the "kitchen" window yesterday. Here is my blog post... t has been entirely too long since my last post. I have been working here and there but it seems to be REAL slow going at this point. I also have to say that I am TIRED of working on windows. It is becoming a real drag to work on them. I have pulled the front window and that thing is a bear. I am almost done wet sanding that and will be moving on to polish. I'm very ready to do other things. But here is my update... Here are the curbside Jalouise window and the "kitchen" Jalouise window screens. I polished these up and fit new screen material and splines. It isn't a real WOW picture but it is progress... Attachments:
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Jul 9, 2010 15:57:51 GMT -5
I was finally able to get the kitchen window back together today. It had been polished but I needed to get a time when Molly and I could sit and rivet the mechanisms back together. I need someone to hold the pieces while I hammer them back together. Having a rambunctious two year old in the house makes it terribly tough to sit and get stuff like that done. However, the kitchen window is now crossed off the list... Attachments:
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Jul 9, 2010 15:58:26 GMT -5
Just some detailed shots... Attachments:
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Jul 9, 2010 15:59:18 GMT -5
The newly riveted mechanisms look and more importantly work so much better than before. You would be surprised how much those old steel rivets would bind up the operation. I also dig out all of the old dirty grease from the torpedo opener's gears. I add new grease and it seems to help also... Attachments:
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Post by Atomic Addiction on Jul 9, 2010 15:59:58 GMT -5
New seals for the window. Look at that crud built up in the window. Looks so much better now... That is it for now. Nothing major but I can cross it off the list. Attachments:
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Post by roothawg on May 23, 2011 19:55:42 GMT -5
How do you know who the manufacturer is on the windows? Is there a tell/tale sign?
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Post by Atomic Addiction on May 24, 2011 1:42:29 GMT -5
How do you know who the manufacturer is on the windows? Is there a tell/tale sign? Hehr that made these Jalouise windows actually stamps the outer frame with their name and model numbers or something like that. It is on the outside and lower left corner if I remember correctly. Sorry, it don't have any pictures on hand of this but I could take one if you really want. Brian |
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Post by roothawg on May 24, 2011 21:59:35 GMT -5
I am just trying to decide what to do with my rear window. The p/o threw a cinder block through it in a bitter divorce. Most of the parts are gone. I thought about trying to figure out what was missing and replace it, but then I thought it might be easier to replace it with a solid pice of glass.
It had 3 panes and rolled out like the ones you have pictured. It measures 29" high and 28.5 wide . (best I can guesstimate)
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