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Post by jaydar1968 on Jul 30, 2012 15:57:32 GMT -5
It's been a while since I've dropped by. I was going through the Collectibles section and noticed there was an Astrodome Wall Clock and the art looked very, very, very, very, very familiar. I know when I put those illustrations out on Flickr I was aware this could happen, but I just hoped people would at least have the common decency to ask if they could use the art for their ventures  . I don't believe this seller is a member. Although it has expired, here is the ebay ad: www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=120906612468&nma=true&pt-motors-r=&rt=nc&si=2iUtiRSW%252BJrlA5zA3z1a0nJYP3E%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc#ht_1353wt_1398They even went through the work to remove my signature and the copyright symbol. There have been several members who have emailed me asking if they could use my illustrations for one thing or another and I thank you. I always like to hear what people have in mind for them. In every case it's been a personal project for which I have no problem and haven't turned anyone down yet. I just have an issue when something like the wall clock shows up. Thanks, Jay www.flickr.com/photos/30648801@N05/ |
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Post by dawgpound on Jul 30, 2012 16:10:49 GMT -5
Contact the seller and tell them that they don't have your permission to use your artwork or they can pay you X amount of money per clock. OR Contact Ebay and tell them. They will ban the seller.
I have had this happen with me and my teardrop build pictures. I contacted the seller and they pulled my pictures from their ads.
Good luck!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 17:05:33 GMT -5
The problem with your assumption is the phrase "common decency". I'm pretty sure any such commodity will be a long lost piece of history by the time my grandchildren show up....a lost art in modern society.
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Post by tylerbes on Aug 2, 2012 7:04:05 GMT -5
Jay You did that picture! When I first was looking for campers I found that image of an Astrodome and I Loved it, you did a yellow and a teal version as I recall... If you did one in 1956 T-Bird Sage green it would be even better  . Fantastic work. Very accurate as well (being an Astrodome owner). I almost got a T-Shirt made (for myself, not sale) with that image on it and thought better of it not knowing who had done the image. Well Done! Please don't let this stop you from continuing to produce and share such great work! and I agree with Ross, you can get them shutdown no problem I would think. Best of luck and thank you for such great contributions to the Shasta community. |
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Post by safetybruce on Aug 2, 2012 10:45:41 GMT -5
I hope retro-rods is toast...I wonder if ebay members can provide feed back about retro-rods, I can see that 100% plummet to about 17% before they throw the jerk out of Ebay all togther.
jaydar1968 please start your pursuit of this low-life by getting him off Ebay, then consider going after him in the courts. Gotta sign off for now and sign in to Ebay and see what my options might be...maybe I will start with a question to the seller since he says customize your own clock provide me with a picture and I could ask, I have a pic that dude did of a Compact, do I need to try and erase his signature and that copyright thing or can you do it when you make my clock, since I'm afraid if I do it it will mess up the pic, and see what his answer might be...should change his name to retro-rod-the-rat...imho
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Post by offspringin on Aug 2, 2012 10:57:06 GMT -5
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Post by offspringin on Aug 2, 2012 10:58:55 GMT -5
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Post by safetybruce on Aug 3, 2012 0:43:53 GMT -5
He may have "only" sold 2 but how many thousands of viewers are looking at jaydar1968's drawing being used in an ad to sell Rod-the-RAT's clock products accessible to everyone with a computer...jaydar1968's illustration being so fine could very well be stimulating many others to buy using pics of their own camper hoping the result looks as good as jaydar1968's illustration...there is a lot more going on here than a one-off rip-off...intentional copyright infringement is a Federal offense I believe.
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Post by cowcharge on Aug 13, 2012 18:45:15 GMT -5
"Please Note: My items are in no way affiliated nor endorsed by any manufacturer. If any of my items are offending in any way please contact me and the auction will be removed immediately and not relisted for sale."
Have you tried this?
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Post by pmaz621 on Aug 17, 2012 9:54:40 GMT -5
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Post by offspringin on Aug 17, 2012 9:58:26 GMT -5
If what cowcharge copy/pasted didn't work i would file a complaint with eBay saying that your image is being used by an unauthorized seller etc etc.
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Post by kto17 on Aug 19, 2012 22:48:53 GMT -5
Jay,
I hate that someone is doing this to you. Your art is beautiful and you deserve recognition.
Thank you for the red Astrodome and permission to use it! I still haven't made my shirt yet....
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Post by dawgpound on Aug 20, 2012 16:21:42 GMT -5
As of now, retro-rods (ebay seller) has nothing posted. Hopefully he has been told to Cease and Desist!
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Post by dawgpound on Aug 24, 2012 6:45:48 GMT -5
They are back at it again! I just reported them to Ebay as selling unauthorized copyrighted material.
Have you contacted Ebay about this matter, Jay?
You can do a quick report by clicking on the REPORT ITEM button just to the right of the Description, Shipping and Payments tabs.
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Post by jaydar1968 on Aug 28, 2012 21:41:01 GMT -5
Thank you Ross for the email notifying me about the return of the Shasta clocks. It's been awhile since I've dropped by and was amazed by all the support and comments. After the initial Shasta clock auction had expired I kind of put that issue on the back burner but then forgot all about it.
Thanks everyone for your efforts in curbing these pirates actions. I have sent them an email asking that they discontinue all sale of Shasta clocks with my original art. Who knows, if they had just asked I may have given them permission at no charge. But now...
Thanks again, everyone!
Jay
Oh, and the line in the auction bill that killed me the most:
"If the color isnt your exact model your [sic] looking for email me and I will see what I have."
See what YOU have? Right.
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Post by hoosierpoet on Sept 16, 2012 21:34:17 GMT -5
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but he's back, and selling the clocks again: www.ebay.com/itm/1952-SHASTA-AIRFLYTE-TRAVEL-TRAILER-WALL-CLOCK-/110952920523 . He's put the entire lot back uo for sale. Might be the only way to stop him is to threaten him with a lawsuit. But a complaint to eBay might at least slow him down a little. eBay does take copyright infringement seriously. There should be a link somewhere that says something like "report an item" and you can tell them the whole story. I would definitely follow through on it, what he's doing is just plain WRONG. |
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Post by dawgpound on Sept 17, 2012 7:39:40 GMT -5
If everyone would report it, it might do the trick! You can do a quick report by clicking on the REPORT ITEM button just to the right of the Description, Shipping and Payments tabs. |
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Post by offspringin on Sept 17, 2012 7:40:50 GMT -5
Yes right above the item description on the right side of the screen is a "Report Item" link. I have never done it so I cant help anything past that.
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Post by dawgpound on Sept 17, 2012 7:41:37 GMT -5
I just reported the seller again!
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Post by hoosierpoet on Sept 17, 2012 8:14:03 GMT -5
Be sure to go to the seller's "other auctions" and then report each and every one of them, he has re-listed them all! I don't think eBay will remove the others if they aren't reported too. Either way, the more noise we make the less likely he'll be to just wait a bit and re-list them again. This especially irks me because I'm both an artist and an eBay seller - an HONEST eBay seller, I just can't imagine pulling this type of crap and getting away with it! Apparently the guy has no scruples whatsoever. Guess we'll have to keep an eye open for the clocks on Etsy and Amazon now...
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Post by dawgpound on Sept 17, 2012 8:48:12 GMT -5
I contacted the seller with this message:
Dear retro-rods,
Did you get permission to use Jay's artwork for you own personal gain? This is copyrighted artwork that was taken from a website. What you are doing is illegal.
AND this is his response from the seller, Jim.
Dear bigdaddyross28643,
You should be able to back that up. I created that artwork. That photo of the airflyte is of a diecast image. I am a graphic artist and used my own software programs to create the lettering, etc. I have closed the auction until you can provide proof otherwise.
My personal email is: RetroRods @ yahoo. com if you wish to contact me further.
Jim
I am emailing this to Jay and hopefully he will contact Jim and get this resolved, once and for all.
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Post by hoosierpoet on Sept 17, 2012 8:53:11 GMT -5
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Post by soup on Sept 17, 2012 12:45:54 GMT -5
What BS! The ebay seller says; "I have closed the auction until you can provide proof otherwise." I guess all you got to do is never prove otherwise and he'll leave the auctions closed!  |
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Post by dawgpound on Sept 17, 2012 13:27:02 GMT -5
I feel really strong about anyone trying to profit from someone else's pictures or artwork. I had this happen to one of my teardrop campers that I built.
I have been contemplating of sending him the link to Jay's Shasta's. Just can't decide if I should get involved any more and let Jay handle it from here.
One good thing that has happened, he did pull the auctions, except for one. In his defense, the Airflyte is NOT one of Jay's works. It does look like one of the diecast models.
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Post by hoosierpoet on Sept 17, 2012 17:02:23 GMT -5
A few years ago, an eBay seller contacted me and threatened to sue me for using one of his photographs on my listings. It was actually a scan of a small electronic part; and it was definitely MY scan, I'd been using it for at least a year and had the original hi-res scan on my computer. Further investigation revealed that someone in the other seller's organization had taken a shortcut and grabbed my image, they'd been using it for several months! The seller apologized, he had no idea. Interesting quirk, I was threatened with a lawsuit for using my own original image! But the point is, I had proof: the original scan, high-res and time-stamped with the date of creation. One instance whete my packrat tendencies and fear of discarding anything payed off. As long as you have similar proof, your creative property is considered YOURS and copyrighted under U.S. law.
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Post by dawgpound on Sept 17, 2012 17:18:35 GMT -5
That is basically what happened to me. One of the ebay seller's people had done just that, cruised the internet, found and pulled several of my build pictures to promote the guys building plans. I contacted the seller and he pulled all of my pictures and apologized for the mistake.
I believe that the unauthorized seller of Jay's work won't put them back up, but Jay needs to be the one to jump on this and finish it. I have gotten the ebayer to drop back, but it really isn't my battle.
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Post by dawgpound on Oct 9, 2012 7:27:51 GMT -5
This is the finial chapter in the Shasta Clock saga. If you want to end this once and for all, Jay, you must contact Jim. He is and has been willing to talk with you about this issue. Now, Jim admits they are not really his designs! I have done all I can for you, Jay. Ya gotta step up to the plate and talk with Jim about your designs! I have emailed and PMed you about this, but I don't get any response from you. Here are the last emails between me and Jim. This were all from Friday the 8th until last night. He didn't have to admit to anything or even talk with me about this issue. But I sent him Jay's Flicker Link and asked him to compare, which he finally looked at them. Dear retro-rods,
Back at it again? Here is Jay's work
www.flickr.com/photos/30648801@N05/
You tell me that these clocks are all of your own design!
- bigdaddyross28643Dear bigdaddyross28643, The clocks are my own designs. You can have him contact me but I will remove the auctions until I speak with him. Jim Dear retro-rods,
Hey Jim,
I have tried several times to get Jay to contact you and I guess he has no interest in pursuing this, thus I am not going to either.
When I use to build teardrop campers, I had an ebay seller take a few of my pictures and use them in order to promote his teardrop build plans.
Jay mentioned that there were Shasta Clocks on ebay and said that those were his original designs and he hadn't given anyone permission to use them. I looked at his renderings and compared them to the yours and they are one in the same, with exception that his signature is missing from under the tongue of the Shastas.
Again, I will not bother you again with this matter, Jim. Jay has had every opportunity to get in contact with you and I guess he has no more interest in this.
Ross
- bigdaddyross28643
Dear bigdaddyross28643,
I was unaware that this person even existed until you emailed me before. I had a customer give me those photos a few months ago actually and was told that I could use them so that is why I said I owned the designs. If "Jay" wants to contact me I will work with him because he does in fact own them after looking at the link you sent me. I am not trying to ripoff anyone....I removed them again today after you emailed me and the only reason they were relisted this week is because they are in a database that I keep to list my auctions. Thanks again for your help.
JimThanks Jim for manning up. Again, you didn't have to admit to anything or even agree to talk with me about this issue.
I will pass all of this on to Jay and hopefully he will be in contact with you and maybe you two can come up with a viable option.
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. I don't believe this seller is a member.
. Fantastic work. Very accurate as well (being an Astrodome owner). I almost got a T-Shirt made (for myself, not sale) with that image on it and thought better of it not knowing who had done the image. Well Done! Please don't let this stop you from continuing to produce and share such great work! and I agree with Ross, you can get them shutdown no problem I would think.
